Curse

Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 07:40 PM // 19:40

Again, ectos can be found in Pre-Searing. The infamous Guild Hall glitch brought many items into Pre-Searing (Altough, I don't understand why anyone would bring ectos back), and those could have included ecto's.

Anet said they wouldn't ban for these items, and frankly didn't care.

So no, he shouldn't be banned, because Anet specifically said they wouldn't ban for it.

And let me post some quotes made by Gaile:

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Originally Posted by Official Wiki

About a year ago, we briefly introduced a bug that allowed players from Pre-Searing to travel to their guild halls and back. We quickly fixed this bug. Since players may not have understood that it was a bug, we didn't ban anyone for taking advantage of it.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Arena..._July-Aug_2007

Which clearly states that uptill the policy changes, they wouldn't ban anyone for glitched items. Hence it was safe to conclude you wouldn't get banned for these new items either.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray on presearing.com

Tomes were not in the game during the period where the Guild Hall glitch was in place. Tomes have an undue influence on one's ability to attain a very difficult and much-sought-after title. That's why tomes are a focus.

You will notice that we are not banning people who have tomes. We are requiring that they move any tome-influenced characters out of Pre-Searing, and we're requiring that they destroy the tomes. That seems fair, really, considering that some have asked for an immediate ban of any account that has post-searing skills or tomes.

http://www.presearing.com/forum2/ind...32285#msg32285

Clearly, black on white states they wont ban anyone who has a tome, yet this seem to have been forgotten when they reviewed my acount, which didn't even have a tome, nor an illegal skill Pre-Searing because I wasn't even in Pre-Searing anymore. The person who reviewed my acount did not review it at all, or he would have found these statements specifically dealing with Pre-Searing. Instead, he just opted for the perm ban which was obviously the far easier choice...

DoomFrost · May 06, 2010, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I admit my acount was made tainted, no doubt about it. But did it have such a big impact on the community? Ok, I bragged about it to close friends a handfull of times, but when HoM was made acount-wide, I had exactly 0 advantage over anyone else.

And deleting the character crossed my mind, but ask yourself this:

If you spend 7 days clicking a ressurection skill 8 hours a day, would you still delete that character afterwards even if you followed the new rules?

As far as I was concerned I:

1) Deleted the exploited items
2) Move the tainted character to Post-Searing

and thus abiding all the rules Gaile told us to follow. The fact that I had LS and LDoA was besides that particular issue, and when HoM was made acount wide completely irrelevent.

Shouldn't matter how many days are involved, if I bring character into post knowing it has two titles I exploiting via another exploit. I should know full well that continuing to keep that character paints a huge bulls-eye on my account.

You exploited the game thrice, first with a tome, second with the two titles, third when you brought the character into post which would have made GWAMM 1 title easier. Sure the third might seem small but still exploiting nonetheless. In essence, you gave yourself three strikes. You could have kept it at two by deleting your character.

Hope you get your account back though, hopefully the character can be deleted. I know I'd hate it if one of my accounts got banned, all the time I've invested. Good luck.

EDIT: Also if we were looking at it from "how much time I spent" perspective. Which would be more logical losing that one character that you spent 7 days on, or losing an entire account you spent however many years on?

jonnieboi05 · May 06, 2010, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I admit my acount was made tainted, no doubt about it. But did it have such a big impact on the community? Ok, I bragged about it to close friends a handfull of times, but when HoM was made acount-wide, I had exactly 0 advantage over anyone else.

And deleting the character crossed my mind.

No, the account made zero impact on the community, apart from rolling teams in tombz of course. :P

Yes, bragging is fine when it's to your FRIENDS (hell, I do it all the time, lol). That is why they are called FRIENDS, you're supposed to be able to TRUST THEM. But... In the end, it seems Kyle was obviously not a friend. I personally think the kid reported you out of spite since he was so sore about getting perma banned a few hundred fame short of his bird.

On-topic: Deleting the character should be an option, imo. Support, or rather, their GM Phields (the lead GM) should ask you specifically "do you want your Monk deleted? Yes or no? If you reply "yes", they restore your account back to you and you stay out of trouble.

This includes inappropriate character names and inappropriate language.

jazilla · May 06, 2010, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Buy a new game and don't do anything in a gray area anymore? Besides that, idk what to tell you. It's their game and they can do whatever they want.

Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 08:13 PM // 20:13

I've thought about buying a new copy of Guild Wars (I'm currently using a second PvP only acc, which I already payed for. So they already squeezed money out of me), especially with the steam promotion, BUT the problem is I really want to use my email for the acount email. Especially when it's going to get carried on to GW2, I can't be asked making a new random email adress, knowing I'll have to use it for GW2 aswell.

On top of that, I really had a thing with my character names. (Including the Monk on which the alledged crimes happened) I really looked forward to reserving these names in GW2 aswell, which is something won't happen now.

And lastly, it simply won't be my acount. That acount was my acount, and always will be. I've put over 7K hours into it (maybe even more), I've achieved many PvP titles (Including commander which can NOT be gotten anymore, so that's anything thing I'll miss out on) which I simply won't be able to get by the time GW2 comes around.

I simply shouldn't be forced into spending money when I know I didn't do anything to deserve a permanent ban.

DoomFrost · May 06, 2010, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Have you tried writing support an apology letter of sorts? If you explain to them that you now fully understand that what you did wasn't right at the time, and would promise the immediate deletion of the character that is exploited. I know it's a huge shot in the dark, and I don't know if you have done it already, but it's worth a shot isn't it? Or no?

makafri · May 06, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

1) Deleted the exploited items
2) Move the tainted character to Post-Searing

you didn't delete the exploided item... you used it... and it was a tome so there is not way to fix your cheat... you can't delete the skill you have learned

edit: also... considering what others have said here... is clear that it wasn't the first time you try some kind of cheat... so I think you should know better...

Another Felldspar · May 06, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

On-topic: Deleting the character should be an option, imo. Support, or rather, their GM Phields (the lead GM) should ask you specifically "do you want your Monk deleted? Yes or no? If you reply "yes", they restore your account back to you and you stay out of trouble.

This includes inappropriate character names and inappropriate language.

Why? If someone has shown a clear disregard for the rules on more than one occasion, why would there be the expectation that they will suddenly develop respect for the rules, or respect for the people that share the game, or respect for the support people that enforce the rules?

This player has shown that they don't have respect for any of those things. I don't think the account should be reinstated, with or without the monk. Cheaters cheat. This is a cheater. And besides cheating this one has no respect for the game itself or the people that share the game world. Otherwise, there wouldn't be more than one instance of banning for inappropriate names or inappropriate language, and there wouldn't be a universal ignore from support.

Play nice or don't play. That's enforceable, and it has been enforced. There are too many previous black marks with this one final big black mark -- the account is gone, as it should be.

Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I have apologized (For something I didn't do), I have begged, I have gotten anrgy, I have gotten pathetic, I have threatened, I have done just about every trick in the book.

Aside from 90% of my emails getting ignored completely, all I got back was: "All reviews have been made, the acount remains locked".

I also tried to make them understand the logic that if I deserve to be banned, so does every other person who has ever gotten a duped item in his hands. Most of those emails simply get ignored.

On a few good days, I got the GM to say a little bit, driving him as far as having him admit I dind't hack the game, but that I'm staying banned because purchasing these items is a bannable offence. At which I link them to the official quotes by Gaile herself where she states they don't ban people for these items. And as soon as I get them cornered, the reply email is: 'All reviews have been made, the acount stays locked'.

DoomFrost · May 06, 2010, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Sorry Killed, don't know what else to say. I do believe that everyone should be given a second chance, but apparently it looks (from what you've typed) you won't be getting it. I wish you luck on your new account, maybe you can get support to unlock your email from that account so you can assign it to a new one. I guess if anything you can get out of this is to be extremely careful in what you do in Guild Wars and to keep common sense at your side at all times.

Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by makafri

you didn't delete the exploided item... you used it... and it was a tome so there is not way to fix your cheat... you can't delete the skill you have learned

edit: also... considering what others have said here... is clear that it wasn't the first time you try some kind of cheat... so I think you should know better...

The intire point of a tome is to use it.

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

If you have a character whose skills were impacted by the use of Post-Searing tomes, you need to move that character to Post-Searing immediately. If you have an item, weapon, rune, tome, or anything else from Post-Searing â€“ no matter when you acquired it or when it appeared in Pre-Searing â€“ that item or weapon needs to be deleted or moved to Post-Searing right away

Having a tome, or having used a tome were cleary one and the same thing here. You had to move your character to post searing, which is exactly what I did. I followed the rules.

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Why? If someone has shown a clear disregard for the rules on more than one occasion, why would there be the expectation that they will suddenly develop respect for the rules, or respect for the people that share the game, or respect for the support people that enforce the rules?

I have a friend who got banned for a week for having the name 'Six Is a Ninja'. Apparently, someone reported him saying it was offensive, and he was forced to change it. (Which isn't that bad cuz he got a free name changed, but the ban was redicilous nontheless)

The support clearly doesn't take these name reports too seriously, and neither did they with me. As a person who PvP's alot, I have alot of "enemies", as does just about every other HA'er. (Simply ganking someone is enough to have his intire team report you for an offensive name)

Alot of the names were not offensive in the least bit, but rather "joke" reports from certain people I mocked on these forums.

Borat Is a Flower can probably get you banned if enough people report you. The previous number of commited violations shouldn't matter when dealing with a completely different kind.

chessyang · May 06, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I'm really tired of this issue (I've been fighting with support for over a year now) and I really want to know what other people think of this issue.

well what i think or do is get mad. rage it! then go buy GW for (all three what now?) $30 and enjoy it. but really i probably just quit because of these stupid policy. It's not worth the time or effort.

As much as i love GW and A-net. Getting banned for what you said and bending over back ward is not worth it. I have money and ready to spend it. if they want my money i'm ready to spend it. But i rather spend it somewhere else.

To the OP, i feel for you and this is what i "think of the issue".

DoomFrost · May 06, 2010, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

... Having a tome, or having used a tome were cleary one and the same thing here. You had to move your character to post searing, which is exactly what I did. I followed the rules...

I don't think the tome is the only issue, you had a character with two titles that couldn't be normally achieved in the game and brought it into post searing instead of deleting it. I don't think you were banned just for the tome, you were probably also banned for having the two titles as well. But that's just my reasoning.

Killed u man · May 06, 2010, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by DoomFrost

I don't think the tome is the only issue, you had a character with two titles that couldn't be normally achieved in the game and brought it into post searing instead of deleting it. I don't think you were banned just for the tome, you were probably also banned for having the two titles as well. But that's just my reasoning.

Having both titles is not a breach of the EULA. Therefore they can't be the ground for banning me. Otherwise, they might as well have said that they banned me for having a green garden. (Which is just as redicilous)

And even if this was the intire issue, why wasn't the character deleted? If they knew I dind't hack the game, but rather the titles were the issue, why did they ban me for abusing an exploit? Shouldn't they have banned me for having LS and LDoA? Shouldn't they have simple removed the character or titles?

That seemed a far drastic measure for something that wasn't against the EULA

Septeric · May 06, 2010, 08:46 PM // 20:46

been following since the beginning..

i don't get the point of this thread.

are you:
just telling a story of your experience?
looking for others to agree/disagree with you?
hoping someone from anet will read this and do something about it?

because i don't see anything happening for you after all you have written and the time you said you have spent.

and since this is an opinion-fest.. mine is...

so long as we are forced to use private forums for official inquiries.. anet has no reason to bother with this thread or any of the others.

if that was the OP's reason for the thread creation.

Benderama · May 06, 2010, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Which is guilty untill proven otherwise (Which obviously can't be proven), resulting in everyone who'se name gets mentioned in an exploit-case gets auto-banned.

em....

Frog have mercy on me! i'm gonna side with the OP. i know the whole "if you're not with us you're against us" thing. but i'm assuming he/she boguht a duped item, without knowing it was duped. in that way even if it was given as a gift, he/she wouldn't have done anything to exploit GW. he/she would have unknowlingly bought something, supporting someone who did violate the rules. but since they didn't intend to do anything wrong then they should be fine right :O?

i'd say fight for what you believe in ;D! yes it's corny but that's how i feel about things.
after all you can always get another copy of GW pretty cheaply and continue negotiating with Anet.

Martin Alvito · May 06, 2010, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

How does that prove to you I knowingly bought an exploited item?

If you got LDoA and Legendary Survivor on the same character, that's the smoking gun proving you're a sophisticated player that knew what you were doing. They've been pretty consistent about swinging the banhammer in situations where you could not possibly have achieved the result without exploiting the game (eg: Ebony Citadel of Mallyx, dupe). You can't hide behind the EULA here; this is a Rules of Conduct issue and they are well within their rights to ban you.

I agree that the current vague policy is lousy, but given the full story it doesn't sound like you've been singled out or treated unfairly in any way. Truth be told, you should count yourself fortunate that you retained your account for a single day after maxing the second incompatible title.

makafri · May 06, 2010, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

The intire point of a tome is to use it.

Having a tome, or having used a tome were cleary one and the same thing here. You had to move your character to post searing, which is exactly what I did. I followed the rules.

you conveniently follow the rules just AFTER you got the tittles... thanks to the USE of this tome... do you really don't see that you just cheat??? why do you think that is considered illegal to have such items on preasering???? is not that moving your character from presearing fixed the fact that you got 2 tittles cheating...

Malice Black · May 06, 2010, 08:55 PM // 20:55

You knew what you were doing. The only reason you're sorry is because you got caught. The ban is just. Take it like a man.

gone · May 06, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

2 words for OP.

premeditated exploit.